Similar Frauds: Talking to Pentecostals
Steve Hassan, in his book, “Releasing the Bonds,” introduces a good strategy for starting a conversation with Pentecostals about fraud. The strategy is to NOT talk about Pentecostalism, but to introduce another parallel fraudulent movement, describe it in detail, and get the Pentecostal to agree that the other movement is using Mind Control, subversive selling tactics, mass hysteria, hypnosis, etc, to control the minds of the people.
A good subject is Multi-Level Marketing groups like Amway, Quixtar, or Herbalife. They are setup very similar to Pentecostalism. See here in this article:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/
The strategy is to get the Pentecostal educated about fraudulent techniques of Mind Control. Once they agree that the other groups are engaging in Mind Control, they have a system of thinking in their heads that will eventually get them to think hard about Pentecostalism.
Are there any other phenomena out there with which we may analyze them for parallels with Pentecostals so that we can open up conversations with Pentecostals?
Here is another link of interest:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/index.html
Rick Ross has an entire forum dedicated here to fraudulent movements:
http://forum.rickross.com/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=d44f5ba6595a83d13efc7384a1e20345
Again, this is a strategy we can use to open up conversations with Pentecostals. They are programmed to reject criticism of their particular group. But, they are usually eager to criticize other groups. We can use this against them. Find a parallel scheme to open up conversations about fraud.
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P.S.
http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html
The above link is an economic analysis of why MLM's cannot work. A very good read.
Maybe we can write a similar analysis as to why Pentecostalism cannot work.
derkrash-at-earthlink-dot-net
JP Istre
5 comments:
I don't know why God doesn't judge the pentecostal movement because they are getting away with too much. I was a member for 27 years but even conversating with them now makes me feel physically sick and grieved. They put copyright on worship songs which is corrupt , worship is an obligation not a right. Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hicky, Hillsong ( Brian Houston ) Jessy Duplantis etc are all preaching a different Gospel
Maybe I can't blame you for making your comments about Pentecostals.what your priest did to you growing up must be horrible.
Maybe I can't blame you for making your comments about Pentecostals.what your priest did to you growing up must be horrible.
It does not matter what religion you are part of. Lutheran, pentecostal, catholic, muslim, hindu.. They are all systems by man that have an appearance of godlihood, a whitewashed facade that keeps people under it's spell.. Jesus pronounced the end of religion with the destruction of the Jewish temple. He was not concerned with religion because God's message of love conquering evil is a universal message. It is for every single human being. It is not a product any religion can claim, package and sell as their own. Yet that is exactly what religion does. Takes the original message, distorts it and sells it. The church and congregation of Jesus is not a church where people meet on sunday in his name inside a building called church. That is what God destroyed 2000 years ago with the temple.. A real church is 2 or more people who are in real living faith, not indoctrinated into any worldly church system which has corrupted and copyrighted the gospel and the way their followers interpret the bible and it's messsge. The bible is meant to be read and understood in the same way it was in jewish culture 2000 years ago. It is not literal, it is like jewish religious culture, allegorical and spiritual in nature. The greeks were of different culture and that is what changed the understsnding we know have of bible. When the bible mentions handling venomous snakes, it's referring to handling people, not actual snakes. Just saw a video on youtube of a pentecostal pastor committing suicide because preaching how God gives him authority over venomous snakes and got bit by a rattlesnake. His congregation prayed over his dying body but God did not save him. I wonder why? God would have saved him if he had clinged to Word of God and understood it. Then he would have realized to not be stupid and careless with his congregation and his own life. The dragons, donkeys, snakes, unicorns or rhinos in the bible are all allegories. The snake in the gatden of eden is not a magical snake that can speak. It is an allegory to the sly temptation of sin. How sin creeps into a persons mind and tempts like a seductive temptress. The way how God curses the snake to eat the dust of the earth and crawl on it's belly is what happens to all who succumb to bondage of sin. Look for instance how similar any addict is by appearance, be it porn, alcohol or drugs.. They all seem to crawl on their belly eating the dust of the ground to which they are quickly returning to if they cannot escape the bondage. This is not to say we ought to look down on people in blight, on the contrary. This is only an example of how religion lies about the message of the bible. Your pastor will tell you it is an actual talking snake and you will believe it becsuse it is God we are talking about after all. Well the ancient Jewish sages believed it not, they understood the meaning of allegories and parables and used them. Jesus is not the only one speaking in parables as Christians think. It was part of the custom of his times in religious culture. Read history, etymology and Jewish talmud and other religious texts and you will gain insight how their thinking worked. That way you will understand the bible and it's message in it's original context. It does not mean you have to agree, it means you are equipped to read the texts in their original context meaning. God Bless and may those who have eyes to see and ears to hear do so.
Why do you feel copyrighting musical material is wrong? I agree about the sensationalist pastors but fail to see why you object something that is considered a normal practice by law to an artist eligble for the work they put out? The gospel is supposed to be free, not music or art. Besides any artist can choose whether they wish compensation or not for their material. Also one can sing to God from their own heart, that's free.
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